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#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:25:18 PM



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3-1-4-2 Formation


1 GK
______
3 CD
______
1 DCM
2 CM
2 SM
______
2 CF


3-4-1-2 Formation


1 GK
______
3 CD
______
2 CM
2 SM
1 ACM
______
2 CF


3-4-3 Formation


1 GK
______
3 CD
______
2 CM
2 SM
______
1 CF
2 WF


4-1-2-3 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
2 CM
______
1 CF
2 WF


4-2-1-3 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
2 CM
1 ACM
______
1 CF
2 WF


4-3-3 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
3 CM
______
1 CF
2 WF


4-4-1-1 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
2 CM
2 SM
1 ACM
______
1 CF


4-4-2 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
2 CM
2 SM
______
2 CF


4-4-2 Diamond Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
2 SM
1 ACM
______
2 CF


4-5-1 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
3 CM
1 ACM
______
1 CF


5-3-2 Formation


1 GK
______
3 CD
2 SD
______
3 CM
______
2 CF


4-1-3-2 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
1 CM
2 SM
______
2 CF


4-3-1-2 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 CM
1 ACM
2 SM
______
2 CF


4-2-4 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
2 CM
______
2 CF
2 WF


4-4-2 Diamond (WF) Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
2 CM
1 ACM
______
1 CF
1 WF


4-5-1 (SM) Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
1 CM
1 ACM
2 SM
______
1 CF



4-1-4-1 Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
2 CM
2 SM
______
1 CF



4-3-3-CM Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
3 CM
______
3 CF


4-3-3-SM Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 CM
2 SM
______
3 CF


4-4-2-Diamond Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
1 DCM
2 CM
1 ACM
______
2 CF


4-5-1 FLAT Formation


1 GK
______
2 CD
2 SD
______
3 CM
2 SM
______
1 CF


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#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:31:30 PM





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5-3-2 Formation

1 GK
______
3 CD
2 SD
______
1 CM
2 SM
______
2 CF



Why is that with 1 CM and 2 SM? Other formations with 3 guys in middle had 3 CMs. So, shouldnt it be the same with this one?
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You are correct. Was a "little" mistake there. We wanted to see if our users were alert. Whistle
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:39:39 PM




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There should be some overlap.

Why shouldn't a back three have the option to be SD - CD - SD as well?

I can see why you'd lock this down, but it could be done as zones.
Then you wouldn't have the problem that fakeplayerr pointed out where two formations force different combinations of player position into the same three positions on the field.

(edit: posted just after Fidadmin's correction there, but still think some flexibility/zonal position would be worth thinking about)
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at 4-3-3 aren't there 3 CF's? instead of 1 CF and 2 WF?


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#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:07:17 PM




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I always assumed there were 3 CFs in 433. Main reason is that WF sit slightly deeper on the 4123 formation for example.

Also the WF are in line with the outside CMs on the 433. So it should either be 2SMs, 1 CM, 2 WF and 1 CF or 3CMs and 3 CFs.
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Was always 2 WFs 1 CF, don't know why the WF's are in a different place when there is a ACM or DCM playing but yep they are WFs
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Be nice to have some more formations in future - DCMs are only used in 4 of these 11.

Top of my list would be the 4-4-2 offensive/defensive

CF CF

ACM
SM CM SM

SD CD CD SD


and


CF CF

SM CM SM
DCM

SD CD CD SD


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vasKa17 wrote:
at 4-3-3 aren't there 3 CF's? instead of 1 CF and 2 WF?

Na, dont think so. This is correct, because WF is a special position, not like SDs. To be honest, in real life, 3 pure forwards are not used very often. Its 1 forward and 2 wide men usually.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:46:11 PM



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This guide will be helpful, as questions regarding formations occur frequently, so thanks to you for putting it together.

Of interest is noting just to what degree certain positions get the shaft. I hope FID will create more formations to help some of the players that use under-represented positions in the future... I took at look at everything and broke it out:

11 formations total.

Number of available positions in total for each FID position:

GK – 11 (all formations)

SD – 18 total spots (9 different formations)

CD – 26 total spots (all formations)

DCM – 4 total spots (4 formations)

CM – 23 total spots (10 formations)

ACM – 5 total spots (5 formations)

SM – 12 total spots (6 different formations)

WF – 8 total spots (4 different formations)

CF – 16 total spots (all formations)

Clearly, central forwards, central defenders and central midfielders have it made. Positions like DCM, ACM, and WF are only in a few formations in total and honestly have very few available spots, thus making playing those positions more difficult.


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you're right fleet. it will be a total succes if in the future a manager can make his own personalised tactics. like: if a manager has only WF in the squad, he could use 2 WF and no CF. or if there are 2 dcm in the team, and the manager want to use them both on their original position, then he can make a 4-2-2-2 tactic, with 2 dcm,2sm,2cf. and examples can continue
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RafaBenitezJr wrote:
you're right fleet. it will be a total succes if in the future a manager can make his own personalised tactics. like: if a manager has only WF in the squad, he could use 2 WF and no CF. or if there are 2 dcm in the team, and the manager want to use them both on their original position, then he can make a 4-2-2-2 tactic, with 2 dcm,2sm,2cf. and examples can continue


Actually, I do not agree with a fully personalized formation system. If that occurs, then it obfuscates the need for out-of-position penalties, because managers can field whacky formations and just have the players play in different spots. I do think that a few more formations are needed, though-- especially for ACMs and DCMs. For example... it would be nice if there were formations with 2 ACMS and 2 DCMs. Similarly, a formation with 4 forwards (2 CFs and 2 WFs) would be nice...


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#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:32:34 PM




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I'd like to see this classic


CF CF
ACM
SM.........SM
DCM DCM
CD CD CD
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We will add further formations for sure but there will be no personalized system for this. We will always have to have controlled or limited formations in order not to open up for misuse or unrealistic formation of teams.

Maybe we can add 3 more formations very soon but it would be great to get the community to select those next three. We would need someone to be in charge of investigating "most needed formations" and I nominate Fleet to perform that work (if you're up for it mate?). Maybe you can use this thread or any other thread to find out the currently most needed formations? Use poll-functionality if you feel it necessary. A few requirements though:

- All three formations must favour the positions that are outnumbered at the moment.

- The formations should be somewhat commonly found in real life football.

- We can not create formations with multiple ACMs or multiple DCMs because our system does not support it at the moment.

@Fleet: Hope you don't mind me throwing this at you like this (you are after all the one voicing the need for further formations the most so why not make constructive use of that energy smiling ). Just let me know if you're not up for it.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:30:29 PM



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FIDAdmin1 wrote:
We will add further formations for sure but there will be no personalized system for this. We will always have to have controlled or limited formations in order not to open up for misuse or unrealistic formation of teams.

Maybe we can add 3 more formations very soon but it would be great to get the community to select those next three. We would need someone to be in charge of investigating "most needed formations" and I nominate Fleet to perform that work (if you're up for it mate?). Maybe you can use this thread or any other thread to find out the currently most needed formations? Use poll-functionality if you feel it necessary. A few requirements though:

- All three formations must favour the positions that are outnumbered at the moment.

- The formations should be somewhat commonly found in real life football.

- We can not create formations with multiple ACMs or multiple DCMs because our system does not support it at the moment.

@Fleet: Hope you don't mind me throwing this at you like this (you are after all the one voicing the need for further formations the most so why not make constructive use of that energy smiling ). Just let me know if you're not up for it.


As a squeaky wheel, FIDAdmin1 just dumped a bucket of oil on me...

I will take up the gauntlet, if you would like, of course...

I think morri3sa's suggested formation looks like a promising one, but if other users could suggest formations they would like to see in this thread, that would be helpful...

EDIT: My reading comprehension level is apparently low... I just noted that FIDAdmin1 just said formations with multiple DCMs and ACMs are not feasible, so morri3sa's suggestion is out, I guess....


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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:21:59 AM




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widjerd wrote:
Be nice to have some more formations in future - DCMs are only used in 4 of these 11.

Top of my list would be the 4-4-2 offensive/defensive

CF CF

ACM
SM CM SM

SD CD CD SD


and


CF CF

SM CM SM
DCM

SD CD CD SD




+1
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I made a thread to post the suggestions --- over here.


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#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:26:07 AM




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Fleet wrote:
I made a thread to post the suggestions --- over here.


I posted in both... just to make sure.
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Guildencrantz wrote:
Fleet wrote:
I made a thread to post the suggestions --- over here.


I posted in both... just to make sure.


Biggrin

That certainly sounds like a confident vote for a few new positions!


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There should also be possibility for 3 men downstairs to be like this.

SD CD SD

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