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#1 Posted : Saturday, May 07, 2016 7:21:17 PM





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Feel free to discuss anything here!

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#2 Posted : Saturday, May 07, 2016 11:56:06 PM



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We need to get a better seeding system for the next competitions. You HAVE to take in consideration the age cap of leagues! This system makes the champion of a 19yo league equal to a champion of a age cap free league, thats just not right. Its an aberration that my 19-20yo MAX team has a better seed than a team with SEVERAL 26+ yo players...

Max age or league cap age should have a 5x stronger influence on the overall rating than UDP, NFIDA or league position. I don't see why this is even needed. Everyone trains the same, a team from a small NFIDA can have the same strong players as the top NFIDA.

And lets not start with the 3 brazillians on the same group.. this was a good opportunity for us to play against some new clans and see how we are developing... and of course the bad luck put us all together. Much of the fun is gone :/

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#3 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 12:19:48 AM





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Wheres the links to groups and times?





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#4 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 12:25:48 AM





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dfduarte wrote:
We need to get a better seeding system for the next competitions. You HAVE to take in consideration the age cap of leagues! This system makes the champion of a 19yo league equal to a champion of a age cap free league, thats just not right. Its an aberration that my 19-20yo MAX team has a better seed than a team with SEVERAL 26+ yo players...

Max age or league cap age should have a 5x stronger influence on the overall rating than UDP, NFIDA or league position. I don't see why this is even needed. Everyone trains the same, a team from a small NFIDA can have the same strong players as the top NFIDA.

And lets not start with the 3 brazillians on the same group.. this was a good opportunity for us to play against some new clans and see how we are developing... and of course the bad luck put us all together. Much of the fun is gone :/


Indeed, the seeding was perhaps not perfect. However, what's for sure is that if you look at the calculations, the average age of teams was considered, ensuring that the Brazilian league struggled here.

The NFIDA was included in general as it shows the strength of a nation, and the quality of that nation over a few seasons. Bulgaria, for example, were ranked lowly here, since they're quite new. England, on the other hand, were ranked quite highly, since they've been around for a long time and have high amounts of UDP and strength in depth.

The league cap was an original plan, but it was decided that average age would improve the formulae, in which it did.

The draw ensured at least 1 group would occupy a minimum of two Brazilian teams, but in this case, it was 'bad luck' to include all three in the same group. But that's the luck of the draw. Your always going to get a strong group (Group of death) and a weak group in the UEFA Champions League, and that pretty much happened here.

You can still find out how you're developing against the other teams, and then once you head into a semi final/play-off (if you get there), then you can prove your worth against a fairly strong team then. So I think you playing your Brazilian compatriots again could showcase a rivalry between you three teams, and make it fun that way- and who know's, your games might eventually be proved crucial!
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#5 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 12:27:13 AM





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scotty196222 wrote:
Wheres the links to groups and times?


Here

Match times will be added within the next couple of days.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 1:44:06 AM



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I saw that age was taken in consideration and it should because a team with only 25-27yo is stronger than a team with players from all ages. All i'm saying is that when a team is coming from an age cap league the average will always be MUCH lower. And in the end what matters is how strong the team is, not where he plays, or what opponents he had in his league, how well he did against them..., age is KEY here, its all wrong.
In the end you have to compare just the players, how good are the players from team A? And team B?

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If Shipka FC is able to use their best defenders, all above 25yo, it will be a miracle if we manage to come any close to scoring a goal. That alone is reason for them to be seeded higher than us but they are seeded #6 and we are #2.

The advantage we had for having a low avg age is gone just because our UDP was higher, 10 points smiling
God knows the UDP we or them will be able to present on those saturdays... I hope they'll have like 40 UDP with no supporters Biggrin

Or because we are from a bigger NFIDA and won our league and they didn't, 10 points.


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The league cap was an original plan, but it was decided that average age would improve the formulae, in which it did.


Sorry but it didn't, teams with no single player 21 or above shouldn't be seeded higher than teams full of 24+ yo players.

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There is not much rivalry for UC right now in Brazil, we won 4 straight titles before the reset and the 2 after it, we'll go for 7 in a row this season, right guys? Biggrin
But OK, we'll try our best against them and the others, this single matches sometimes can bring some surprises.

PS: Are the countries right on that list? Goddess of War is from Italy or Ireland? Brains United from Serbia or Sweden? They changed leagues this season?

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#7 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 1:55:13 AM





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Next season in UCHL play only teams with age caps league. Brazil and Scotland. Good Luck!!!!!!

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#8 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 2:14:10 AM



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There is no need to spam, i'm only pointing the seeding formula is wrong. I knew i would face much stronger teams, i'm only surprised to be seeded this high...

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#9 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 10:03:56 AM



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#10 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 10:33:59 AM





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Yes, the countries on the list are correct. The countries were as of last season (Goddess of War from Italy), since that's how they qualified, but the team's link leads to their current team in Ireland. Same as Brains United.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 7:14:53 PM





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@Influential me

We have match in 2:00-3:15 (our local time) REALLY?
We have match 30 min before their normal league time and only 4 hour(!!!) after our league time.

This is a game, this is not second job.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2016 10:11:14 PM





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Indeed. You are correct. The league match times are actually taken into account, and I have decided to move three matches to a more suitable time considering local times and league match times.

Those matches, all occurring in Group B, are:

FC Poltava v Zica Star Pixel FC
Zica Star Pixel FC v Shipka FC
Brains United v Zica Star Pixel FC


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#13 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 2:16:28 AM



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14/05/2016 - 00.00 (Sunday) - Ursinhos Carinhosos v Zica Star Pixel FC

Shouldn't this be 23:30?

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Ursinhos Carinhosos 21.00-22.00 (23.30)
Zica Star Pixel FC 01.00-02.00 (Sunday)

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#14 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 1:37:00 PM





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dfduarte wrote:
14/05/2016 - 00.00 (Sunday) - Ursinhos Carinhosos v Zica Star Pixel FC

Shouldn't this be 23:30?

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Ursinhos Carinhosos 21.00-22.00 (23.30)
Zica Star Pixel FC 01.00-02.00 (Sunday)


Considering those match times, I felt that Zica's match time was originally too early. Therefore, it was a choice of 23.30 and 00.00, as you pointed out. However, I decided 00.00 would fit both teams well, since the match times for the Brazilian league are at 23.30 UTC, and Zica stated a far later match time, meaning I decided 00.00 UTC would suit Ursinhos (since league match times are close) and Zica (since UFCL PKO time was an hour later). Although I guess the 30 minutes time difference does not matter massively.
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#15 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 2:03:01 PM





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Program seems good for my team.
My players didn't say anything yet but I think we will be fine.

Good job to everyone that put effort and time to make that happen and I hope this will continue in the same mood and organization.

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#16 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 2:07:07 PM





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AEKWazzaa wrote:
Program seems good for my team.
My players didn't say anything yet but I think we will be fine.

Good job to everyone that put effort and time to make that happen and I hope this will continue in the same mood and organization.



Just me Biggrin Flapper

I tried to make it ideal for everyone, but it's complicated, quite predictably, for group B. But it was okay for group A, thankfully.
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#17 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 6:15:58 PM





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Yeah cheers IM, cant wait to get going, should be really good experience for us guys @ Trees .

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#18 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 6:36:37 PM





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is Threes active ? I played them last night, didnt seem active
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#19 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 7:58:05 PM





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hi guys new to champ league so appologies if this has been covered before will the fixtures show up in the sign up ? and on the team from instead of 2 groups of 6 would we not be better with 4 groups of 3 play each team home and away and no 2 teams from same country cant meet in 1st round anyway cheers
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#20 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2016 8:04:03 PM





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Champ78 wrote:
is Threes active ? I played them last night, didnt seem active


Yeah I was there Woot Flapper

12 sign ups, so dont know what happened...

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Not sure with your OP team it wouldve made a difference though tbh.

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