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#21 Posted : Friday, March 06, 2015 11:55:54 AM



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The function ORDER BY UDP doesn't work xD


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#22 Posted : Friday, March 06, 2015 12:12:42 PM



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It may not order it but is does show the UDP.

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#23 Posted : Friday, March 06, 2015 12:28:26 PM





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I am going to try to stay open minded about this. Mini brought up a huge point of exploitation but I do see the value to new users coming into the game which would be the biggest benefit. Needing a supporters pass for this makes me wonder if that was the true target though unless it is included with the free one new users get.


It is of course included in the free Supporter Pass new users get. And the whole point is that a team should be able to be filled up with Central Forwards and then the users can discuss how to solve it and then get the team active by simply change their main positions. This will give all those new users who does not get a chance right now to test FID a way to be picked up anyway and hopefully test a match and see that basicly all positions are fun to play - just as IRL. It will also help out to get teams fully active without forcing users to play out of position in thin squads.

Overall the main idea is to give a tool to make it easier to get fully active teams and pick upp all users signing up and creating footballers.

It could be used in order to confuse opponent scouts yes, but weighting pros and cons against each other... Well I think the pros are clearly heavier than the cons. The damage an 18 yr old can do by changing position and readjusting the attributes is not that big compared to how it was before this latest change.I mean the CF could readjust into a CD and vice versa already and then the users could simply position themself accordingly during the match.

But this is our view.


May as well just remove OOP and add custom formations then. A player's position is part of his identity, which is something you always claim is important. It should not be changeable.
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#24 Posted : Friday, March 06, 2015 4:23:12 PM





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May as well just remove OOP and add custom formations then. A player's position is part of his identity, which is something you always claim is important. It should not be changeable.


Its just for 18 year olds though.... I don't see the issue, if the only objection is due to potentially arsehorse teams doing it to throw people off then well, some people r right..... u know, deal with it innit Love , it benefits dem silly teams who take on 20 cf trialists. D'oh!

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#25 Posted : Friday, March 06, 2015 7:08:47 PM





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FIDAdmin wrote:
didothunder wrote:
I am going to try to stay open minded about this. Mini brought up a huge point of exploitation but I do see the value to new users coming into the game which would be the biggest benefit. Needing a supporters pass for this makes me wonder if that was the true target though unless it is included with the free one new users get.


It is of course included in the free Supporter Pass new users get. And the whole point is that a team should be able to be filled up with Central Forwards and then the users can discuss how to solve it and then get the team active by simply change their main positions. This will give all those new users who does not get a chance right now to test FID a way to be picked up anyway and hopefully test a match and see that basicly all positions are fun to play - just as IRL. It will also help out to get teams fully active without forcing users to play out of position in thin squads.

But this is our view.


if free sp longer(half or a 18y oldseason) would coincided yor view
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#26 Posted : Friday, March 06, 2015 8:39:38 PM




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Mini Miudo wrote:

May as well just remove OOP and add custom formations then. A player's position is part of his identity, which is something you always claim is important. It should not be changeable.

What?
It's just 18 years old players. Why is it such a big deal if a 18yo changes position?
You could argue that having the ability to do it unlimited times while they are 18 is too much (it could be limited to "you can only change your position once")

It's really useful for those who deal with newbies. If you ever had the chance to manage youth teams you know it, I had to do this a lot of times (talking to the new user convincing them to erase the char and pick another position, so that I could put them not out of position or that we could fill a needed spot in the starting lineup)
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#27 Posted : Friday, March 06, 2015 9:15:28 PM





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MatthewRoy wrote:
Mini Miudo wrote:

May as well just remove OOP and add custom formations then. A player's position is part of his identity, which is something you always claim is important. It should not be changeable.

What?
It's just 18 years old players. Why is it such a big deal if a 18yo changes position?
You could argue that having the ability to do it unlimited times while they are 18 is too much (it could be limited to "you can only change your position once")

It's really useful for those who deal with newbies. If you ever had the chance to manage youth teams you know it, I had to do this a lot of times (talking to the new user convincing them to erase the char and pick another position, so that I could put them not out of position or that we could fill a needed spot in the starting lineup)


Doesn't matter if it's only for 18yo's. It's still against all natural instincts to be able to switch position back and forth endlessly at 18yo and changing your skillset all the time too. I pointed out earlier, that's what makes it bad. If you were only able to change it once, then I'd agree with it.

The way it is, it helps experienced people a lot more than newbies, especially as they only have the starter SP for 2 weeks. And if you have a team of experienced people with SP and another one without and both teams have some players missing, it's extremely UNFAIR for one team to be able to field an active team without OOP while the other one possibly can't, just because one of the teams paid and the other one didn't. It's not a pay to win game, and I'm leaving if it ever becomes a P2W game.

It's bad in FID terms and IRL terms. A player IRL just cannot keep learning new positions in 0 time. Unless you're Großkreutz. But extreme cases aside, a player learning a new position IRL would take time, which is the equivalent of training a 5* AP. I know some stuff just aren't comparable to RL football, just like this isn't 100% the same because we have the problem of keeping new users. But allowing it once, whilst still not being too realistic, is one thing. Allowing unlimited changes is another.
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#28 Posted : Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:16:07 AM



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I think the free SP period is only two weeks . I cannot imagine many newbies buying SP so there really isn't a big problem. What is a problem is a user changing position and not attributes before the free SP runs out.
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#29 Posted : Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:31:41 AM





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That's not the problem at all, the problem is experienced users being able to change positions endlessly for 3 months (refer to my previous post).
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#30 Posted : Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:50:44 AM



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Hmmm you could be right and experienced teams would go to such lengths. So probably position changing should only be made available to users with a rating of less than 200.
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#31 Posted : Saturday, March 07, 2015 11:08:51 AM





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Or make it possible to only change position once.
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#32 Posted : Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:46:05 PM




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Mini Miudo wrote:

Doesn't matter if it's only for 18yo's. It's still against all natural instincts to be able to switch position back and forth endlessly at 18yo and changing your skillset all the time too. I pointed out earlier, that's what makes it bad. If you were only able to change it once, then I'd agree with it.

The way it is, it helps experienced people a lot more than newbies, especially as they only have the starter SP for 2 weeks. And if you have a team of experienced people with SP and another one without and both teams have some players missing, it's extremely UNFAIR for one team to be able to field an active team without OOP while the other one possibly can't, just because one of the teams paid and the other one didn't. It's not a pay to win game, and I'm leaving if it ever becomes a P2W game.

It's bad in FID terms and IRL terms. A player IRL just cannot keep learning new positions in 0 time. Unless you're Großkreutz. But extreme cases aside, a player learning a new position IRL would take time, which is the equivalent of training a 5* AP. I know some stuff just aren't comparable to RL football, just like this isn't 100% the same because we have the problem of keeping new users. But allowing it once, whilst still not being too realistic, is one thing. Allowing unlimited changes is another.

Well thinking about it the fact that SP gives you the combo of changing unlimited times both the position and all the skills is too much, I agree with that. Personally I don't care that much about being competitive in young teams, but I can see people abusing it in under 21 tournaments..

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Hmmm you could be right and experienced teams would go to such lengths. So probably position changing should only be made available to users with a rating of less than 200.

this would exclude from the feature too many users that could make use of it (without exploiting). And even if you are experienced if you are going to join a young team you might not know exactly what are the team needs. Just making it a one time only change seems a much better way to keep it balanced
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:51:10 PM



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